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RedRobin
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5/15/2008 3:32:06 AM
ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC?....
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Most of you guys here are based in the U S of A, so which would you recommend please? And are there other performing rights orgs you would recommend instead, and why?
Thanks for any feedback :-)
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Conversation Suicide
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5/15/2008 3:51:17 AM
I've Heard BMI is the best, with NO annual fees and done by musicians for musicians. Something like $250 one time fee to become a Music Publishing Company. My two cents.
-phlegm of Conversation Suicide
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Andy Broad
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5/15/2008 3:55:19 AM
If I understood correctly aren't you UK based? In which case I think if you join PRS / MCPS then they have reciprical agreements with their american counterparts.
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RedRobin
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5/15/2008 5:28:51 AM
Thanks phlegm - That sounds good :-)
Andy - I am based in the UK but a 'deal' has come up for me in the USA and I'm being asked if I have Performance Rights there. I haven't bothered in the UK so far but was going to do so here as and when appropriate - I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. That reciprocal info is very helpful though - I'll look into it and report here for everyone's benefit.
Many Thanks to both :-)
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niteshift
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5/15/2008 6:09:09 AM
---- Updated 5/15/2008 6:09:49 AM
As far as I'm aware, the reqirements are...... with BMI you only need to intend to record and release material, ASCAP requires that you have had at least one tune played/perfprmed in an ASACP registered venue/station, and SESAC is by audition/invitation only.
I'd just choose which ever suits your purpose, as the databases are all interlinked.
cheers, niteshift (ASCAP)
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RedRobin
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5/15/2008 6:54:44 AM
....Thanks, niteshift.
I'm told by UK based MCPS/PRS Alliance, that by joining them, rights are applied worldwide by default but one can exclude territories if desired.
It all looks mighty complicated and expensive though!
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Slimdog Productions
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5/15/2008 7:27:45 AM
Reading up on a BUNCH on this before choosing one: ASCAP top royalties favor towards artists who have pop songs or song that will be played on radio more whereas BMI royalties tend to favor more towards performers who do movies, soundtracks, tv. I chose BMI because I had tracks that were placed in an independent movie for distribution possibly on cable tv internationally. Now remember that favortism in the royalties is not much at all in each PRO, but if your song becomes a huge hit on tv or radio, those few cents will mean alot in the end.
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Slimdog Productions
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5/15/2008 7:34:55 AM
Now note: In the US, you don't get royalties for your song being played in the movie theaters. That's where you sign a performance (mechanical) deal for your material BEFOREHAND. Depending on the number of songs, if you are well known, number of theaters and if there will be a soundtrack. Also, if the filmaker is a indie or a major filmaker...Just in case Red Robin if your material is going into a movie.
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9/30/2008 9:02:38 AM
You cant get ASCAP if youre not American. Been trying to get Kryptic her card for a year, its not happening cause shes British and you need an American social security number. BMI is probs the bast for a British cit, since the B in BMI stands for British =). PRS is a muchly complicated orgaization and we fumbled thru the application til it dawned on me that I can get Kryptic her ASCAP membership through our publishing company, so thats what we ended up doing.
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Andy Broad
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9/30/2008 9:09:13 AM
I think you'll find the B stands for Broadcast as in Broadcast Music Inc. PRS / MCPS is definetly the way to go for British musicians.
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9/30/2008 9:20:38 AM
It sure does stand for Broadcast =)
What I meant was since all of our personal British artist friends are BMI, it may as well be! They all complain about the membership process and end up BMI, hence the dumb comment I made that looked like I was speaking blindly.
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Beth Fridinger
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9/30/2008 10:41:49 AM
wow $250 to become a music publishing business sounds like a lot. Last time I looked it was $25 at ASCAP. I find the music business very confusing. I joined ASCAP but without a publisher or being a publisher I could get no royalties and it was unclear to me what I needed to do to publish my own stuff.
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Beth Fridinger
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9/30/2008 10:46:48 AM
wow $250 to become a music publishing business sounds like a lot. Last time I looked it was $25 at ASCAP. I find the music business very confusing. I joined ASCAP but without a publisher or being a publisher I could get no royalties and it was unclear to me what I needed to do to publish my own stuff. They don't make it easy for the little guy....LOL
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