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LyinDan
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1/7/2016 4:43:51 PM
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Suggestion
Ever considered adding a Politics and Religion SubTopic to this board?
I don't, but a lot of people do get perturbed by the hyperbolic threads on those topics.
I definitely want free speech to reign here. Musicians are usually VERY opinionated because...they care. I don't want politics or religion to vanish from here. Perhaps, though, they should have a separate section, like reviews does, to avoid really pissing off some people who observe this board but are negatively affected by some threads concerning both subjects. Me, I welcome opinionated and passionate posts. But many don't, and that may be a concern for the front page, which features all posts.
Just a thought.
Oh, yeah, and I do know this doesn't belong here, but I did it anyway because. And also, I thought it would be of interest in general and a good topic for general discussion.
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Father Time
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1/7/2016 6:22:15 PM
It's not the worst idea. I was also thinking about bringing a piece of the station mash page to the front too down the road.
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The Jay Dyall Project
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1/8/2016 10:02:21 AM
I agree with Dan.
I seldom comment on the board for that very same reason.
People shouldn't be subjected to unwanted opinions. It's a turn-off.
Its ok if people want to talk politics and/or religion, but when the conversation turns into personal arguments, we don't need to see all that! They should just write private messages to each other in that case.
And sometimes postings that started out music related turns into
politics/religion arguments and then I just click out to read something
else hoping there's no repeated incidents.
Overall, personally speaking, I don't think those two topics should be on a board in a MUSIC site. It should be about the music. That's why I joined.
So Dan's suggestion is a good one, create a Sub-board for topics outside of music. Call it Rants & Raves, or Miscellaneous Topics.
The Moderators should consider the benefit of the board for All members
not just the handful that dominates the board.
It makes it look like there is only about a dozen or so members in this whole site!
Maybe that's why so many other members do not participate on the board,
because of all the bickering and insults slung from member to member
and others don't want to get caught up in that.
I sure don't!
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1/8/2016 10:25:26 AM
course I'd have to find someone to volunteer to pay for the programming for this.
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1/8/2016 11:57:28 AM
Alright Mate.
Give us a number. How much would it cost then?
You let us worry about worrying about it, just, how much would it take,
in order to do that, 'cause it is not at all a bad idea. J,G&L
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1/8/2016 12:37:34 PM
Well I could definitely get it done for 75, possibly for 50
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Neil w Young
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1/8/2016 6:01:40 PM
Some might remember that the Pipeline was removed from the front page several years ago. Due to the nature and content of certain posts, it was offending far more than it was serving.
It wouldn't take rocket science to figure out too that such offensive posts present an uninviting web site for potential new members as well as for potential advertisers who would not want to be seen as supporting such a web site.
Just looking ahead - it's my nature.
Neil
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The Jay Dyall Project
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1/8/2016 6:17:17 PM
@Neil... Exactly!!
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Noah Spaceship
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1/8/2016 10:38:33 PM
I have an idea.
How about drowning out the political content with some sweet bloggity blogs from the indie lurkers up in this motherfucker?
If you care about the image, improve it. :)
And if you got some cash to spare, kick it in.
We are lucky to have this forum.
I can personally guarantee instant gratification to all of you who choose to add some quality content.
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The Jay Dyall Project
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1/9/2016 10:21:18 AM
Noah, some people Do post new blogs every now and then, music related or non-political, and yet by mid-point someone turns it into a political debate with others. And yes, some people do get offended by what is being said.
I understand and defend the first amendment, but some people take advantage of it, abuse that right and go way overboard sometimes.
That's why there Should be a separate board for those who insist in posting their political and/or religious beliefs and ramming it down the throats of those who do not believe in their choice.
Other members will finally enjoy and post blogs here if they know it won't turn into a circus where people will hurl insults and epitaphs at them.
I think it was wrong of you calling fellow members "lurkers".
Thought this was a supportive community for Indie Artists.
Thank you.
~JD
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Noah Spaceship
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1/9/2016 10:42:36 AM
Well, Jay, if you post are making blog posts, that would make you NOT a lurker, right?
see, the thing is, you are going offend people, like I just did there with you, only I did not mean to, but you chose to be hurt by it.
If we spend all our time catering to those who offend easily, there would be no reason to have a forum, because the sterility would be boring as fuck.
AND - at the end of the day, that sterile forum gets completely ignored, as history has proven time and time again.
You are asking for things in the form of site improvements, and these things cost money, and quite frankly, I grow tired of peeps bitching and moaning about peeps bitching and moaning, hahah
This IS and continually proves itself as being a community that supports ALL of the artists who contribute. Not just the squeeky wheeled whiners. (not implying you, unless the shoe fits, of course)
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Noah Spaceship
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1/9/2016 10:47:02 AM
BTW, if you click on a post, nobody is ramming shit down your throat, you are willingly gobbling it up. That also goes for hijacked threads - I do not read the flames between Lesley and Larree, I skip right over them. Doesn't bother me at all - FWIW
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LyinDan
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1/9/2016 10:54:36 AM
My main concern is the way it makes the front page look, sometimes, I can see that turning off new people who don't know what's going on. I myself contribute to that sometimes. And yes, even I can be embarrassed :)
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Noah Spaceship
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1/9/2016 11:11:05 AM
I can see where you are all coming from. I am playing devil's advocate here, I think it is healthy to discuss this stuff.
Making scripting changes to the site is costly like Scott mentioned, and that motivates me to be conscious of others and the site's healthy appeal.
I think this issue with political back and forth deterring potential posters and new artists is a slippery slope argument. Mainly because site analytics dictate otherwise.
If we have a force of veteran blogger types (which we do) to help self police, we will be just fine, especially with a modest amount of moderation, which we have.
The fact that we are having this discussion is proof that as a whole, we do care about ALL of the artists here.
With that said, I am not against having a political arena for heated flames about trump and other political ilk, but I don't think Scott should have to pay for it. AND as far as image goes, looking at a specifically designated political discussion forum on the front page would look jenky to me.
It seems to me it would be pretty easy to drop certain threads from the main page when they go to defcon 2. Drop them into obscurity.
Maybe we simply need a couple of volunteers to help moderate is all.
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Noah Spaceship
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1/9/2016 11:16:39 AM
I support whatever Scott decides to do. I like it like it is. And I am sure I will like and adapt to whatever it evolves into.
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Larree
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1/9/2016 11:25:52 AM
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"People shouldn't be subjected to unwanted opinions."
I disagree. People need to be constantly assaulted with unwanted opinions. Like these ridiculously retarded college students who want "safe zones" where they don't allow freedom of speech because it might bring up "feelings." Or those dumber than nails Yale students who signed the petition to eliminate the first amendment. Or a reviewer who might trash one of our precious songs and hurt one of us so much that we may never write another song ever again because of the never ending pain. No thank you.
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LyinDan
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1/9/2016 11:27:28 AM
And yet dropping posts into obscurity has its own drawbacks. I think both Scott and I regret having to delete anything a poster says. I never delete. Worst I've ever done is move. Like Noah sez, there is a value to controversial posts in terms of driving interest. BUT. If a newcomer happens along to see "FUCK you- no fuck YOU!" he's likely to think "Them guys is krazzeee, bye" before even looking at any real discussion going on, and guaranteed, "Fuck You" is going to be the immediately identifiable post, the genial and informative music posts are invisible next to it.
And the controversial stuff comes largely from guys who have been around forever and we all know each other. I mean, if we don't WANT to gather other users, well, that's one thing. But, expanding IMP users is not only desirable but necessary isn't it?
It's not like having a separate forum selectable up at the top is hiding it. Like the reviews thing, it's there and people use reviews, including lots of newcomers. Just don't keep the glaring stuff centered on the home page, I'm sayin.
On the expense thing, I hear ya and agree. It's not like I'm clamoring for it, I'm just sayin. When doable.
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LyinDan
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1/9/2016 11:30:22 AM
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Larree is a valued member of the FuckYou! front.
And anyone who's read some of my reviews will know the danger I pose in encouraging self-immolation, much less throwing away their guitar.
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Larree
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1/9/2016 11:30:30 AM
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This place needs new users bad. I feel like I am in a fucking time warp. I know. We all died and this is some twilight zone heaven where we can all live our internet rock star lives in purgatory studios.
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Noah Spaceship
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1/9/2016 11:37:24 AM
I totally agree, Dan. I agree with Larree too.
I absolutely have my reservations about dropping threads into obscurity.
I feel bad I am broke and cannot contribute cash right now, but making a size-able contribution is a very high priority for me, and I will run into some cash soon, and I will be sending some Scott's way when that day arrives.
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Noah Spaceship
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1/9/2016 11:38:18 AM
purgatory studios, hahah!
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1/9/2016 11:42:07 AM
We have added a ton of new artitsts since the relaunch. The thing is, that generation is not really social in the same way us oldtimers are. They just aren't up for the pipeline.
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The Jay Dyall Project
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1/9/2016 12:07:21 PM
Noah, it didn't offend me, just saw it as an unnecessary choice of word.
Also, I didn't make this suggestion, I just Agreed with Lyin' Dan's post.
Also, I had posted new blogs before and had participated in others
that was non-political. And yes, I too skip over when I see a conversation get heated, but initially the topic was something interesting that caught my eye and it isn't after reading to a certain point where that conversation goes overboard and I simply click out.
But twice now I read two people say they want to see new members get involved in the board, having new members join IMP altogether.
This spoke volumes:
"This place needs new users bad. I feel like I am in a fucking time warp. I know. We all died and this is some twilight zone heaven where we can all live our internet rock star lives in purgatory studios."
How we represent ourselves on this board is a reflection on this site as a whole.
Who would want to join if all they see for the most part is Chaos
and not as a forum for Indie MUSIC People who want to post songs, listen to other artists and share music ideas and info with their musical peers?
That was what I thought this was. A place For Music, About Music and Musicians.
There are many other forums on the internet if you want to discuss and/or fight over political differences.
Not so long ago Music Lover wrote something similar to this, and I think he was totally right. He also said people might be leaving this site due to this. Since I haven't seen him (or her?) post again, I have to assume he/she left the site and others may had as well (If the admin has a members count stat on his page, he might see whether the numbers fluctuates). And I can't blame them for leaving.
So, that's all I'm saying on this matter.
Let's see if positive feedback returns, or will it be yet another negative thrown my way.
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Noah Spaceship
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1/9/2016 12:15:06 PM
I purport your assessment Jay, of what attracts and repels new artists as conjecture, and quite frankly, I do not agree, hence my devil's advocate position, but that's ok, to each their own. We don't have to agree to coexist. I respect your POV.
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1/9/2016 1:19:27 PM
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75 bucks? Hmmm... let me crunch some numbers,
let you know what I come up with. Possibly for 50?
Not sure what that means,
but if 75 gets you the guy who knows what he's doin,
and 50 gets you the guy who keeps eatin' peanut butter
sandwiches while he works and then the boards are all sticky,
we might wanna just go all out with the 75...
let me see what's what here... I'll let you know later in the month,
have a better idea by then.
Okay, let me tag this on here...
Dan mentioned changes to the front page...
I don't know that any changes need to be made on the front page...
what I'm picturing, is, if we were to implement a 'politics and/or sensitive subject's section,
that it becomes a subhead tab, once you go to "COMMUNITY" or the Pipeline...
Scott I'll discuss this more with you in the email, but I'm gonna come up with somethin'. ~L
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Noah Spaceship
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1/9/2016 3:07:25 PM
wes gonna git us a fite club up in heeya
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1/9/2016 3:14:06 PM
This isn't a done deal yet, I'm still thinkin' about it.
Disagree that the pipeline is intimidating. I'd rather have an adult discussion anyway than something milque toast.
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1/9/2016 3:17:20 PM
Whoa.
Check your email. Nuff said.
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LyinDan
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1/9/2016 3:33:46 PM
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"Dan mentioned changes to the front page...
I don't know that any changes need to be made on the front page...
what I'm picturing, is, if we were to implement a 'politics and/or sensitive subject's section,
that it becomes a subhead tab, once you go to "COMMUNITY" or the Pipeline..."
Thas what I'm talkin about, too
"There Be Dragons"
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Larree
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1/9/2016 5:27:52 PM
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If someone came here and decided not to listen to me because they didn't like my opinions I don't give a fuck. Wagner was a fucking nazi (a real one, not just some dude I am calling a nazi) piece of shit and I still listen to his music.
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LyinDan
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1/9/2016 6:04:35 PM
There's another good German title for a forum which would fit perfectly
Sturm und Drang
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1/10/2016 9:36:54 AM
Actually, although I was thinking of bankrolling such a coding change,
it's a lot of money to pull out of my budget, no way I can do it any time soon,
and now I see it isn't necessary.
Larree has a point. (I'm finding myself agreeing with him more and more,
Oh God what is happening to me? I'm chiding you, Larr, I think we okay)
If anybody is gonna not listen to our music 'cause of our opinions,
and some of us been known to have some, opinions that is,
well what really are the chances they was gonna listen in the first place?
Anyway, ain't no coding needed for this, so I ain't gotta pay for it:
We all simply adopt a New Protocol...
And I already know some folks, maybe including Mr Larree,
may say that's a buncha bullshit too, and maybe they right.
We COULD however if it was really necessary to,
institute a protocol, where, well you put a disclaimer
at the top of your own post:
Warning, Frank Adult Discussion Going On Here, Reader Discretion Advised.
That's one sentence. Didn't cost me nothin'.
I like it.
Now I got a song to go study like a mad scientist.
Dan, you'll be seeing lots of plays for your song.
I forgot, I can't really download anything...
I know you sent it, and I think in the back of my mind
was a thought of 'I'll find a way to get it onto a flash drive'...
I don't even know how to do that.
But I do know how to study and absorb a song,
so when you see a hundred plays on that one, that'd be me.
As I recall, you also posted the lyrics with that, that'll be helpful,
them I will just jot down by hand in my notebook.
Okay... that's about that....
Far as any protocol on the board, I am guessing some may think it's maybe
not so bad an idea, and some'll maybe think it's stupid. And maybe it is stupid,
I mean, how hard is it to realize "I'm reading something that is making
me upset" and then you just stop reading it.
That's like, you get a cup of coffee at McDonalds,
that says right on it "Warning, Contents May Be HOT!"
and it is, and you still sue 'em for millions.
God Bless America. Some people actually get away with that shit.
There's schlamials and schalmozzles.... seems I'm always the second one.
Oh well... maybe some day... maybe some day the world'll be mine!
Okay I'll probably die first, I knew that. Shut up.
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Larree
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1/10/2016 10:23:42 AM
Yeah, a disclaimer:
Warning: I fucking curse a fuck of a lot and if you are fucking offended don't read my fucking post as you will probably disagree with my fucking opinion anyway and never listen to my fucking music because I hurt your fucking feelings. Proceed at your own fucking risk.
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1/10/2016 10:33:22 AM
Oh man. Perfect. LOL
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LyinDan
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1/10/2016 11:06:13 AM
Well, that's one way of looking at it. Can't think of any other businesses founded on that concept (Envisioning a store on Main St. with a big sign outside - "Fuck YOU! YOU SUCK! If you don't like it, don't come in!").
IMP is more than a business, but it is still one. Gotta have income somewhere along the line.
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1/10/2016 11:22:03 AM
Well, I just meant it was a funny post, and made me laugh.
And actually, business angles can work all kindza whacky ways,
I might actually be compelled to walk into a store
with a sign 'Fuck YOU! YOU SUCK! If you don't like it, don't come in!'
tell ya... every so often we drive out to Long Island...
and when we do, we pass this diner, now, I ain't been in it yet,
but I have to admit, I'm intrigued...
the sign on that says:
"Warm Beer, Lousy Food, Tasteless Conversation".
What's not to love?
Yeah, IMP is a business,
so far from what I hear a mostly non-profit one,
just lucky enough to keep treading water,
which is why I throw a monthly donation into the thing...
Actually, I think this place has potential to be an actual goldmine ultimately.
As for 'how we get there', well that may take all of us to figure out,
since if a one of us knew the answer to that, it'd already be that,
and we'd all be driving Bentleys.
That said, I do know this:
Enthusiasm, is contagious.
So is lack of Enthusiasm, so get Enthusiastic
and walk 'round like you own the joint, 'cause maybe in the long run
you do anyway.
The Future Of Music, Belongs To Us.
Well I just said it does, what, you wanna argue with me now?
Oh by the way....
I'm studying the lyrics...
I'm just gonna set up an inter office memo on the Pipeline here...
you and I can work on it,
I'm gonna post what I managed to write down of your lyrics...
I am guessing that maybe I have misheard some of them,
but I did the best I could, so you can read what I'll type there
momentarily, Dan, and then, if you would be so kind,
yeah, while everybody watches, they can watch, I don't give a fuck...
and if you would be so kind, Sir, you can then
type out the real lyrics,
we can see how close, or how far off, I came to it.
Truly a haunting song, I'm gonna Go Bongo on this Coconut.
We are the key to IMP's Rise To THE STARS.
All of us. Get Enthusiastically Creative.
GREATNESS Is Within You ALL.
Let the motherfucker out.
~L
Warning, I used the F word in this post.
If you got this far, I guess you survived it, so quit yer bitchin'.
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LyinDan
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1/10/2016 12:34:29 PM
lyric/chords on the review post :)
Fixin to go check my email, haha
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Chandra Moon
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1/10/2016 3:10:58 PM
Politics tend to be only relevant if you're from specific countries except for very well known characters that have reached the international stage. IMP should be international I thought.
Religion - well that's a very personal thing and lots of people use music to express their own beliefs and are free to start stations in that genre too.
I don't think any topic should be banned but for me it's about the music, creativity, writing and sharing. I do my general blogging on another platform and only music stuff here.
I don't enjoy reading pointless personal slanging matches and try and avoid that too.
In between all that I enjoy the pipeline!
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1/10/2016 3:57:38 PM
I couldn't agree with you more Ms Moon.
IMP can, should, and basically is International.
And I too tire of the 'slogging matches' as it were on some political threads,
and have personally vowed now no longer to participate in any.
I said this on another post a moment ago and it was a flash of brilliance I thought;
(and I take 'em where I can get 'em)
The Best Way To Read About The Stuff You Wanna Read About
On The Indie Music People Pipeline,
is Post The Stuff You Wanna Read About On The Indie Music People Pipeline.
It's not so hard. It's easier than you think.
You click a button, you begin to type. It's like talking sort of. Try it, Folks!
It's Fun!
Fun Should Be An International Concern, I think.
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