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Holo Lukaloa
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9/10/2008 4:54:17 PM
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How can McCain backers ignore the desperate scumbag ads of the last few days or are they lowlifes too, like their candidate?
This election is getting so putrid since Karl Rove got involved in it, it's making me angry on a daily basis now.
Yesterday it was that ad distorting Obama's work on educating children about sexual predators, calling it Obama wanting to give sex ed to toddlers. Today it's totally mischaracterizing the "lipstick on a pig" comment and making ridiculously obvious, false attributions about it. The Republicans know they aren't really offering any change so they hope they can hook in as many imbeciles as possible to vote for them. I have never seen such a dummying down campaign as McCain is running and since he approves these horrific, pathetic distortions, he is responsible.
I can't believe that anyone here is that oblivious to not see these attacks for what they are. I can't believe anyone here is dumb enough to fall for these ads, either. This election is a referendum on intelligence. Obama has to win or we will know once and for all that the majority of US citizens are stupid and/or immoral. We already know that a majority aren't rich enough to benefit from McCain's economic policies.
Stop the utter bullshit. Stop lying, John McCain, you scumbag.
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Kevin White
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9/10/2008 6:11:06 PM
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I agree w/ you in concept, Holo ... but not delivery.
Imbeciles will vote against you because you called them imbeciles. It's a kneejerk thing.
People here are smart. There are many opinions in a world.
The Republicans have gone to dirt. They're trying to get elected, and the method is tried and true.
Most here see that. No one needs be insulted. There are reasons for voting other than Democrat. I'm personally wary of a Democratic controlled congress with a Democratic controlled Presidency.
I think they'll ignore cutting spending and focus on increasing taxation.
I think that's the complete and total wrong approach under current conditions.
But ... that's what they might have if Obama gets elected ... which works in his disfavor.
Everyone is hurting ... thanks to Republican dominance over the last 6 years. They totally screwed us up. The weird thing is anyone believing Republicans are about fiscal responsibility. They've about trashed that notion. They suck at it.
Accordingly, all of us are hurting ... we've been delivered a world where foreclosure riddles the hard working who were oversold their homes. When the environment is "all about business", then business takes advantage ... sorry about the downside.
But under adverse economic conditions, additional taxation fans the fire ... removing more from the private revenue stream ... that just isn't there to support society anymore. When private hurts, public follows ... for ...
"Society is only as kind as it can afford to be."
a.k.a.
"When the shit hits the fan, no one wants to give their government more off the dinner table."
It doesn't matter ... rich or poor.
The poor can't support. The rich avoid.
Only the middle class supports.
No matter ... it falls on the middle class upper and lower to pay.
They're not in a good state right now. I'd leave them alone.
The answer? CUT SPENDING.
Can Democrats understand that?
That's my private worry. Obama seems to want to spend/tax more ... to "fix things".
I think that less spending on government is fiscally prudent ... including getting out of a nonsense war that I blame on Republicans.
I still lean towards O ... for I'm impressed with his persona ... but persona is only persona, isnt' it?
He will still need to convince me he isn't a tax and spend Democrat and that he can control a Democrat controlled congress that sees an opportunity to raid the public cookie jar.
Last guy who did that was ...
Bill Clinton ... rated by Alan Greenspan as the "Best Republican President we've had for many years." ... but his Congress was Republican controlled ... and he worked with them.
It's what I'm looking for in these trouble times. More spending by government merely means more burden upon the serfs. Is that what the Democrats want?
That just what I think ... my opinion ...
Kev-
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The Man With No Band
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9/10/2008 6:12:04 PM
This Lyan Dan ... is a much bigger liar than that other Lyin Dan ... Ha !
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Jeff Allen Myers
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9/10/2008 6:19:02 PM
Nice Post Kevin, I agree.
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The Man With No Band
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9/10/2008 6:36:37 PM
I wonder who he's going to be next .... ?
Holo Locco ?
Kevan Wit ?
The Man With No Balls ?
You be da lowest stuper of 'em all ... Looks like a Republican tactic to me ...
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Kevin White
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9/10/2008 6:40:41 PM
So why ... Jeff ...
Why is it all about draining the middle working class?
Why does Obama want to tax the upper middle class more? He can't avoid it ... his proposals necessitate it. They work hard to get what comforts they have.
Why does McCain want to tax the rich less? Their wealth is based on being wealthy. They were given it.
How did it get so out of whack here?
The only answer I see is to cut spending.
The Republicans are so obviously not the answer. I'm not certain the Dems are either.
... yet ...
The Republican controlled Congress with the Democratic president seemed to work.
That's sad.
No one ... and I mean no one ... protects the middle class.
The Dems harbor the poor. The Pubs protect the rich.
So ...
???
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The Man With No Band
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9/10/2008 6:59:43 PM
Here's a fact for you ....
More than 60% of all U.S. companies paid no federal tax at all during the boom years of 1996 to 2000, the General Accounting Office reports.
In 2000 alone, 94% of all U.S. corporations paid less than 5% of their total income in corporate taxes, the GAO said in a report released Friday. Among the largest corporations -- the 1% of all corporations that owns 93% of all corporate assets -- 82% paid less than 5% of their income in taxes.
It's only gotten WORSE since, with four rounds of tax cuts for the Rich & Corporate and even MORE Corporate Welfare.
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I don't know where you live LYAN Dan but you are walking around with your eyes closed ....
80% rich my ass .... I've lived on the streets of this country from New York to Florida to Arizona and most places in between ... I have no room to complain because I choose to be here ... but a lot of people didn't choose to be here ...
You have no idea of the facts and the dire straights of millions of Americans ... Pull that silver spoon out of your mouth and look around brother ...
They took my job and sent it overseas ... yours just might be next....
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Kevin White
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9/10/2008 7:00:25 PM
And when have you ever heard of anyone starving in this country Kev?
That's a bit funny ... in a sad way. Should I post the actual, real stats? Does it really need to be proved?
It might be better to retract ... or better clarify intent.
If you made 80k a year, but a gallon of gas costs 1k ... forget world standard. It's about about the tank everyone survives in ... and whether the bubbler stops working.
Kev-
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The Man With No Band
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9/10/2008 7:08:35 PM
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One more thing Mr. POMPASS ... I worked and was a tax paying citizen of this country for near 30 years ... They took my job and sent it overseas ... I lost my insurance .... My Gal got Leukemia during this time .... They refused to treat her because We had no insurance and I was not born with a silver spoon hanging out my mouth or my ass ...
I begged, borrowed and did everything possible to get the money for them to treat her ... after a year I had some money ... guess what ... too fuckin' late ... my everything died while the rich got richer .... FUCK ALL YOU GREEDY ASS REPUBLICANS !
I apologize for my French ... but when you watch the person you love more than anything else on earth suffer in unbearable pain ... and for a year watch the life being sucked right out of her ... while nothing is there to help you ... then you come back here and tell me if you believe the same shit ...
I gave thousands to charities through the years ... I gave my employer a good hard working employee ... I gave until it hurt ... and then I got nothing ...
I watched as the Republican's sent my grandsons father to a war that never should have been ... only to have his brains, guts and blood scattered all over a foreign soil for nothing and then what was left come home in a body bag ... Don't tell me I don't know what the Republicans are about .... Greedy bastards ...
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Kevin White
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9/10/2008 7:28:07 PM
Just a point, Sam ... and your situation saddens me to my core ... so I almost hate to make the point.
Business pays no taxes in the U.S. --
Our system allows a full download ... a "passing of the cost" ... to the consumer.
Taxing business makes little sense ... it's a slight of hand.
Taxation ... REAL distribution of wealth to the benefit of society ... comes mostly from those who have BEST benefited from society ...
INDIVIDUALLY ...
I'm talking the super-rich crowd.
What individual/family really needs to be worth 355 billion dollars?
That's a little extreme. Why is such over the top success allowed to be an excuse for the most successful to harbor ?
Everyone subsists on much less quite nicely. Why?
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The Man With No Band
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9/10/2008 7:32:51 PM
Kevin I'm glad you made your point and it is a point well taken .... and I agree to a certain extent ... but you know as well as I do that the super rich hide their wealth inside the corporate loop ... so they can't be taxed on it ...
I have nothing against people having wealth ... I have a big problem with people getting turned away from medical facilities, here in the richest nation on earth
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LyinDan
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9/10/2008 8:39:23 PM
Good work, Greggie! :)
...and all!
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Jeff Allen Myers
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9/10/2008 8:49:23 PM
Sam, I am very sad all that happened to you... I really am. You want someone to blame, I can understand that. You say "They took away my Job" ... who did? The republicans? Republicans are not all rich Greedy bastards, in fact a large amont of the conservative base makes very little. Take a look at the Red/Blue Map. You will find the democrats control all the wealth centers.. California, New York, Boston, Philly...
Yes Corporations can be Greedy, But they also employ people, provide Health Insurance. Corporate Income tax hinders growth for many companies. You say they don't pay taxes? They pay Payroll taxes, social security Taxes, Workers Comp. The money they pay their employees is taxed....and after all ll that, if they turn a profit...it is taxed, sometimes up to 39 %.
Taxes hinder growth..I have seen it my whole career. I have mentioned what I do for a living, I too speak from experience.
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The Man With No Band
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9/10/2008 8:57:38 PM
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"Republicans are not all rich Greedy bastards" ... I'm not talking about the dupes out there in the real world .... I'm talking about the heads of the Republican Party ... and YES they are Greedy bastards, every one of them .....
"Taxes Hinder Growth" ... Tell that to "READ MY LIPS" Bush ...
Don't tell me that you actually believe in trickle down economics ...
and don't tell me you believe that Republicans raise taxes any less than Democrats ... this is not 1930 ...
I have lost two jobs in my lifetime ... BOTH were under REPUBLICAN administrations ...
Taxes or what ever it takes should not matter, in a country this rich that BABIES or anyone else die because they are poor and have no insurance !...
Also the Corporates DO NOT PAY TAXES ... you should know better than that ... those figures above PROVE it ... what taxes they do pay are just passed on to the prices of their products ... and No they do not pay taxes on the profits .. they stick them in wind fall investments .... get real ... the numbers don't lie..
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LyinDan
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9/10/2008 8:57:52 PM
I DO have a problem with the Super-rich. They shouldn't exist. No person on this earth needs more than a million (in today's dollars, that's still rich). Incredibly rich people wield far too much power, and no one elected them. They took it.
What are ya gonna do, take it away from them? I would, if I were Emperor.
Anyhow, one big thing this country does need to do is Universal Health Care. Other countries less rich than we do it, there's no excuse not to. Increased taxes on the lower rich or no.
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The Man With No Band
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9/10/2008 9:13:00 PM
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I'll tell you who They are .... I worked for Boeing Military Airplane Co. ... They got FREE bond money and had all their plant buildings payed for by the taxpayers to locate in Wichita ... They gradually stripped away our rights as the CEO's filled their pockets ... They took federal dollars out the ying yang ... They decided we were costing them too much and shut our plant down and moved it overseas ... with the help of federal tax dollars to do it ...
All major contributors to the REPUBLICAN party ... and a Company that has been sucking up American windfalls and American tax dollars for years ! ... That's who THEY are ...
We gave up concession after concession and they always gave the same old speech .... "We're in this together" ... if you'll just give up a little more your jobs will be secure .... blah blah blah ... filthy stinkin Republican LIARS !
This country wasn't built by corporations ... it was built on the backs of hard working American People ...
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Jeff Allen Myers
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9/10/2008 10:15:08 PM
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Sam, not all corporations are huge....not all are worried about only their Stock prices. As I stated they also employ People.... You lost your Job, and I am sorry. However, you did have a Job, and were gainfully employed. Their are no guarantees, and sadly...Yes many Companies do not care about their employees any longer. But...their are many that still do. Painting with a broad brush ruins the whole picture.
There are many super rich Democrats, and many who run Corporations...the Republicans do not have a monopoly on that. Pointing fingers at the Republicans is misguided and shortsighted, the enemy is the system...Not one political party. Their are thousands of Ivy league Graduates pulling down over six figures, many are democrats.The Hollywood elite pulling in millions per picture.?..the majority are Democrats. The heads of Both parties are not normal Americans...they are all Rich!
Democrats own stock...they are not all tree hugging Socialists. Not all Republicans are Rich bible thumping Maniacs. We have a two party system, full of Checks and Balances. Its hard for one party to Fuck it all up...each has a hand at bending us over! :).
There are far too many people who look to Government to solve their problems, instead of taking the initiative to make a better life for themselves. Not speaking Of you Sam, its a general statement. You have lived a full life and have worked hard. Some people do Get screwed,I am truly sorry for your misfortune.
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The Man With No Band
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9/10/2008 11:15:06 PM
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You are right ... it is the overall system that's messed up ... however I strongly believe it is the Republican's that are leading the way ...
I'll give you an example ... I have a fellow street friend who worked 32 years for a refinery ... the refinery went bankrupt due to bad management ... this was a few years back ... a new Republican sponsored law had been put into effect that let Corporations off the hook for pensions if they filed bankruptcy ... My friend is in pretty bad medical condition ... He had a 30 year pension coming to him and was supposed to be able to continue his medical insurance at a cheaper rate as part of his retirement ... Because of the law, the refinery got out of paying him his pension and he also lost his insurance ... Every year for the next twenty years he gets a check in December for $27.50 (that's not a typo) ... then they are to start paying his retirement at the regular rate ... He is now 70 years old and is in way too bad of shape to make it twenty more years ... He had bought a home to retire in knowing what his pension was supposed to be, and they took it away because he couldn't make the payments ... The Company filed for Bankruptcy, changed their name and went right back into business hiring all new people ...
That sort of thing is happening all over America ...
This is a new day and age my friend ... when you say far to many people are looking to the government and not doing enough for themselves I say you are wrong ... Don't think for a minute that the Company you work for really gives a damn about you ... cuz that's the fairy tail I believed in ... I'm telling you I have been out here on the ground ... and this thing is very, very real ... the unemployment rates the public see's are very skewed ... Those figures are compiled by those actually drawing unemployment checks ... many have run out of those benefits ,,,
And don't say there are plenty of jobs because there are not ... at least jobs that will pay enough to make a living and very few places are hiring anymore that pay insurance premiums ... It's especially tough if you are over 45 and you have lost a job ... and there are many of them ... Do you think if you lost the job you have tomorrow that you could replace it ? ... with anything close ? ... and what if your whole company moves overseas and EVERYONE there is looking for a job ... what would your chances be ?
I repeat .... There is no reason every single American should not be covered with medical insurance ... and that is what a government of the people, by the people, and for the people should do .... WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT ... or at least that's the way it was intended to be
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and CEO's of these company's are getting paid MILLIONS of dollars, all kinds of perks, and stock and options ... even when they are running sinking ships ! ... some have even managed to run SEVERAL sinking ships .... there is BAD things going on
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Holo Lukaloa
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9/10/2008 11:54:59 PM
Getting back to the subject of my blog, is there not one person here other than myself who is completely disgusted with the recent McCain ads, which practically say in your face "We're going to totally lie to you and you're going to not only let us get away with it but many of you stupid people are going to believe us too, nyah nyah?
I've seen a lot of lowlife ads in my day but these 2 from the last 2 days are the alltime lowest.
Does noone here mind? Seriously?
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Jeff Allen Myers
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9/10/2008 11:57:13 PM
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Oh forgot it was your Blog..... sorry to cut in on your disgust...
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Holo Lukaloa
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9/11/2008 12:07:59 AM
Do you mind blatant lying to try to distract from the actual issues of the campaign. How would you like if you worked on a bill to educate kids about sexual predators and then saw an ad on tv saying you were pushing sex on youngsters?
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Jeff Allen Myers
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9/11/2008 12:27:26 AM
I didn't see the ad...sounds low!, but Obama is no Saint...its politics as usual....they each will take the Low Road..I have seen it all before.
As for Lying, I have seen the President look me right in the eye and say "I did not have sex with that woman"... Oral sex is not sex... His cop out. Bullshit! :) I don't trust the lot of them!
Politicians...are full of Bullshit!!! Kevin had a link to a good site today, pretty much calls them both out. Half Truths...Total Trash. On Both sides. ...
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Holo Lukaloa
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9/11/2008 12:58:32 AM
It's the media that is honing in on Palin. Rightfully so, too, she's got a lot to answer about.
You're crazy if you think the ethics of Obama's campaign in any way remotely approaches the crap on the Republican side. That's a real easy copout to say they all do it. However McCain has been the lowest of lowlifes while Obama has tried to stick to the issues.
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Kevin White
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9/11/2008 6:30:35 AM
I'm sorry, Holo, my fault. I got off on my tangent thought.
Yes, I'm disgusted by what the Republicans are doing. I've maintained they always cross the line more ... though, like Jeff says ... both parties are not immune.
Yes, Obama is trying to stick to the issues ... well, MUCH better than the Republicans, anyways. Yet, he always attempts to be fair and reasoned. I like that in him.
It is because the Republicans have consistently lied over the last eight years, over just about EVERYTHING ...
... and ... tying my above rant into topic ...
... although I'm afraid the Democrats will tax and spend during the worst of times ...
... because I'm CERTAIN that Republican behavior will only favor and further line the pockets of big business ... which I believe would be MORE detrimental to the middle class -- for they don't care about the middle class ... they've done NOTHING but let the rich get richer ...
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I'm leaning towards ...
Kev-
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Holo Lukaloa
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9/11/2008 6:56:25 AM
No, not equal, no how, no way. 90% of the negativitiy in this campaign has come from McCain's camp.
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Holo Lukaloa
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9/11/2008 7:00:40 AM
Which ads are you referring to? I've seen no ads that were deliberate outright lies coming from the Obama camp.
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Holo Lukaloa
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9/11/2008 7:14:15 AM
There are no such ads, as I said.
Most of the scrutiny of Palin is coming from the media, not Obama's camp. Why? Because she's fibbed so many times and she's actually going pretty far to coverup the truth about Troopergate.
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Holo Lukaloa
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9/11/2008 7:25:47 AM
One party is unethical and corrupt. Another is trying to rise above the same. If you can't see that, you're blind.
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termite in your truss
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9/11/2008 5:04:14 PM
Take it from me, BOTH party's platforms taste like monkey poop!
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Holo Lukaloa
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9/12/2008 9:40:06 PM
Here's a good article;
Blizzard of Lies
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: September 11, 2008
Did you hear about how Barack Obama wants to have sex education in kindergarten, and called Sarah Palin a pig? Did you hear about how Ms. Palin told Congress, “Thanks, but no thanks” when it wanted to buy Alaska a Bridge to Nowhere?
These stories have two things in common: they’re all claims recently made by the McCain campaign — and they’re all out-and-out lies.
Dishonesty is nothing new in politics. I spent much of 2000 — my first year at The Times — trying to alert readers to the blatant dishonesty of the Bush campaign’s claims about taxes, spending and Social Security.
But I can’t think of any precedent, at least in America, for the blizzard of lies since the Republican convention. The Bush campaign’s lies in 2000 were artful — you needed some grasp of arithmetic to realize that you were being conned. This year, however, the McCain campaign keeps making assertions that anyone with an Internet connection can disprove in a minute, and repeating these assertions over and over again.
Take the case of the Bridge to Nowhere, which supposedly gives Ms. Palin credentials as a reformer. Well, when campaigning for governor, Ms. Palin didn’t say “no thanks” — she was all for the bridge, even though it had already become a national scandal, insisting that she would “not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that’s so negative.”
Oh, and when she finally did decide to cancel the project, she didn’t righteously reject a handout from Washington: she accepted the handout, but spent it on something else. You see, long before she decided to cancel the bridge, Congress had told Alaska that it could keep the federal money originally earmarked for that project and use it elsewhere.
So the whole story of Ms. Palin’s alleged heroic stand against wasteful spending is fiction.
Or take the story of Mr. Obama’s alleged advocacy of kindergarten sex-ed. In reality, he supported legislation calling for “age and developmentally appropriate education”; in the case of young children, that would have meant guidance to help them avoid sexual predators.
And then there’s the claim that Mr. Obama’s use of the ordinary metaphor “putting lipstick on a pig” was a sexist smear, and on and on.
Why do the McCain people think they can get away with this stuff? Well, they’re probably counting on the common practice in the news media of being “balanced” at all costs. You know how it goes: If a politician says that black is white, the news report doesn’t say that he’s wrong, it reports that “some Democrats say” that he’s wrong. Or a grotesque lie from one side is paired with a trivial misstatement from the other, conveying the impression that both sides are equally dirty.
They’re probably also counting on the prevalence of horse-race reporting, so that instead of the story being “McCain campaign lies,” it becomes “Obama on defensive in face of attacks.”
Still, how upset should we be about the McCain campaign’s lies? I mean, politics ain’t beanbag, and all that.
One answer is that the muck being hurled by the McCain campaign is preventing a debate on real issues — on whether the country really wants, for example, to continue the economic policies of the last eight years.
But there’s another answer, which may be even more important: how a politician campaigns tells you a lot about how he or she would govern.
I’m not talking about the theory, often advanced as a defense of horse-race political reporting, that the skills needed to run a winning campaign are the same as those needed to run the country. The contrast between the Bush political team’s ruthless effectiveness and the heckuva job done by the Bush administration is living, breathing, bumbling, and, in the case of the emerging Interior Department scandal, coke-snorting and bed-hopping proof to the contrary.
I’m talking, instead, about the relationship between the character of a campaign and that of the administration that follows. Thus, the deceptive and dishonest 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign provided an all-too-revealing preview of things to come. In fact, my early suspicion that we were being misled about the threat from Iraq came from the way the political tactics being used to sell the war resembled the tactics that had earlier been used to sell the Bush tax cuts.
And now the team that hopes to form the next administration is running a campaign that makes Bush-Cheney 2000 look like something out of a civics class. What does that say about how that team would run the country?
What it says, I’d argue, is that the Obama campaign is wrong to suggest that a McCain-Palin administration would just be a continuation of Bush-Cheney. If the way John McCain and Sarah Palin are campaigning is any indication, it would be much, much worse.
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Bob Elliott
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9/12/2008 11:00:12 PM
Put me down as one who agrees with the post at the top of the thread.
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