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Bob Elliott

6/10/2008 1:12:39 PM

I Think I KNow the Real Reason Dylan Left the Folk Movement
Peter, Paul and Mary.

There was some documentary on them last night. If you've ever seen the fake documentary of the folk movement called "A Mighty Wind," well, they needn't have made the fake for comedy...the real thing was painfully more funny. They sang his songs with such self seriousness, such inflated importance, it must have made him just run as fast as he could in the other direction.

Quite sure they were at least half the reason. Maybe The Byrds were the other half.


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JeffAllenMyers

6/10/2008 1:40:57 PM


I think the Byrds did right by Dylan with "Tamborine Man" Classic song and Sound...


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Steve Ison

6/10/2008 4:11:22 PM ---- Updated 6/10/2008 4:14:25 PM


The Byrds were a great band..
I prefer their originals,but they did Dylans songs well-and with a totally distinctive sound thats recognised as theirs and spawned zillions of imitators..

The whole folk movement at that time seemed incredibly rigid n stifling-more like a political party-with little room or tolerance for creative,original expression like Dylans..

Little wonder he got sick of it..


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kranky king

6/10/2008 4:32:38 PM




In the sixties in high school we had a weekly friday night event called "Vino Chez Dino" where we'd go to Dennis (Dino) Ash's place and get drunk and bullshit about what the songs might mean.

No other lyrics ever qualified altho' every new artist was given their chance.

The bands that abbreviated Dylan's songs (Byrds, etc.) for radio play were automatically disqualified for that transgression. And don't forget that it was almost obligatory to do a Dylan toon on your album -- so there were a lot of losers.

Your observation on the sanctimonious presentations of the time is brilliant IMO, Mr. Elliot.

Dylan's lyrics were dynamite for us as sixties teenagers and we certainly didn't bestow any glory on P, P & M, Byrds, Turtles, Joan Biaz, or any of the camp following of the time (which was huge).

I agree with you -- he wisely abandoned the folk scene like a rat leaving a sinking ship.


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satch

6/11/2008 12:34:09 AM


Funny - I just finished reading "Chronicles - Volume One", the first part of Dylan's autobiography. great read... and all is explained therein! And it had nothing whatsoever to do with The Byrds.


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SILVERWOODSTUDIO

6/11/2008 12:47:23 AM


Dylan ??!!



---anyone got a song for the "Bob Dylan tribute'' station

just leave a shout!


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Steve April

6/11/2008 2:31:44 AM


Remember songs like "Farewell Angelina." "Farewell Angelina the bells of the crown/are being stolen by bandits, i must follow the sound..."

Who else could put so much in a little couplet? Paul Simon said, "Dylan's like the moon on the tide" ...hard not to be influenced by him.

Even today, songs like "Visions of Joanna" resonate, like i heard em yesterday.
He's rightfully called the jester in American Pie, I think. (the don maclean song).

Storyteller, poet, chronicler...(slightly mad, edgy, generous).


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Richard Scotti

6/11/2008 2:50:13 PM ---- Updated 6/11/2008 2:54:36 PM


Dylan did not want to be part of the establishment. When it appeared that the "hippies" would be the new establishment, he jumped ship. He hated all dogma. He always saw both sides of every issue. The booing of him by the folkies made him realize that these people were just as bad as the ones they were protesting against.

Instead of embracing change and honoring his artistic right to switch to electric music, they rejected him which showed they were just as reactionary and rigid as right wing fanatics who try to dictate how others should live. Dylan felt betrayed by the lefties and immersed himself into music that didn't take sides but explored the individual and the freedom to explore the wonders of the subconscious mind as a gateway to all knowledge and self expression. He did not want to be a spokesperson for anyone but himself but by exploring his inner feelings he articulated so much of what human beings in general were feeling. He was so ahead of his time, other people found it hard to catch up.

The only cover of one of his songs that Dylan liked is when Jimi Hendrix did "All Along The Watchtower". He disliked all the others.


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Jack Heinicke

6/13/2008 10:15:57 AM


For one thing Dylan was friggin bursting at the seams with new and fresh stuff that he knew the folk purists wouldn't hang with. Look at the infamous reactions at Newport and the tour with the Band (before they were known as such) when Bobby had gone and went electric.They were friggin screamin out "Judas" at him for his "transgression".
And as far as the Byrds doing Dylan is concerned Mr. Zimmerman ENDORSED this "transgression". There is even of a picture of him playing with them on the back of one their early albums. And I guarantee you that he had NO problem cashing them royalty checks from whoever transgressed by playing Bobbies tunes.
Yes the Peter Paul and Mary stuff was commercial folk but I remember being a first grader and my teacher playing for us and us learning the PPM version of Blowin In The Wind. Think about it. The mind of a 6 year being infused with those incredible powerful lyrics. It literally changed me in ways to this day I don't comprehend but I know it opened my mind up to things exciting, daring and wonderful.
I've got no patience for hip or cool parlor games when it comes to this thing we call music. I either like it or I don't. And as far as the integrity of the songwriter I would hope that we are all insightful and honest enough to admit that all of it is stolen anyway.


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