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Raandy
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8/12/2017 2:19:00 PM
Trumpie's hate fertilized the ground for the Charlottesville white nationalist lunacy.
Don't deny that.
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Larree
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8/12/2017 5:20:27 PM
Same shit would be happening if she was president right now. Maybe even worse.
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Father Time
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8/12/2017 7:40:37 PM
No way.
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Larree
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8/12/2017 7:49:22 PM
Way. And she would be playing dress up in Kim Jung Un's closet. They would look cute together in matching pant suits.
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Pete Fontana
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8/12/2017 7:50:56 PM
She'd simply ship them a boatload of cash just like Obummer did for the mullahs in Iran.
Woid.
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JeffH
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8/12/2017 10:24:19 PM
I blame Ali!
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Father Time
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8/12/2017 10:28:43 PM
Hillary is a girl scout compared to every single participant in the Trump WH.
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JeffH
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8/12/2017 10:49:22 PM
Someone died and many were hurt by some crazy person...
You see White Nationalist and blame Trump... even though they've been around long before he ran for Prez.
The fighting in the streets was started as usual by the (left) people there to protest the United Right wackos!
Do you know why they were there... why there was a counter protest?
How troll-like of you...
Denied.
I'm guessing you're probably suffering from your white guilt...
lulz!
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Stoneman
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8/13/2017 1:56:09 AM
Oh but you cannot deny that his rhetoric has fueled the fire for White Nationalism. It has emboldened them into thinking that their day has arrived. Why were the counter protesters there? They were there because no longer fear White hatred and we will meet it head to head face to face whenever and wherever it rears its ugly head. Action will always cause a reaction which of course may get someone hurt but so be it. If they want to run us down with cars and kill us, that is nothing new. We have been beaten, lynched tarred and feathered and treated like animals before. I am with Jeff on this, it is nothing new but it is being spurred on by the White Nationalist movement that Trump supports and that supports Trump. So, in that sense he is a contributor to the problem. These people know that they can get away with murder as long as White Nationalist Sessions is on the job. They have been openly encouraging violence for over a year now. Trump himself has encouraged violence. So these racist wackos come out of their little closets and kill innocent people for no reason other than the color of their skin. Mark my word though. This is only the beginning. Kettle is ho and about to spill over into the streets. Open combat is imminent. Why is it that when White people protest they are exercising there American rights but when Blacks counter protest it is breaking the law and worthy of death. Why is that? Don't even dare try to just the murder of innocent people by asking why were they there. They had the right to be there. that's why. Their citizenship is not lesser than white peoples citizenship. Of course you couldn't prove that by the scandal plagued president who has the whole world laughing at him. The bumbling idiot may just lead us right into a nuclear battle. Jeesh, you folks can follow him to your deaths if you want but I think he should b impeached immediately. He is insane. Face it and get over it. The man is off his rocker and needs to be replaced. Our very lives may hinge on it.
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JeffH
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8/13/2017 8:51:14 AM
This was a KKK rally... Really nothing new... If there was a KKK rally when Obama was president (there was) did he incite it or fan their flames.
Obama was their opposition... all the more reason for them to fight to be heard. To recruit on the changes he was trying to instill in the country.
No... not Obama's fault... not even close. It really works both ways.
And the KKK didn't start the violence at their rally. Yes of course the opposition has every right to protest... but violence begets violence. Did the protesters think these wackos would stand around and get beat up by the opposition?
They like to fight too.
I do agree Trump needs to denounce this organization and if he doesn't he is a coward like Obama for not denouncing Islamic Terrorists!
And the same goes for Antifa and BAMN all of these organizations are terrorists imo.
"Why is it that when White people protest they are exercising there American rights but when Blacks counter protest it is breaking the law and worthy of death. Why is that? Don't even dare try to just the murder of innocent people by asking why were they there."
I asked Why were they there because the OP brought nothing to the table other than blame Trump. No details as to why the KKK got a permit to protest the removal of the Robert E Lee statue...
Certainly people have the right to protest the KKK rally... is one I would whole heart-idly support.
But I wouldn't support the actions of violence from the protesters. Justify it however you choose... that's your belief not mine!
And If you're referring to this protest, it appears white dominant on both sides at least from the dozen videos I watched. I don't think it was billed as a "Black" protest. Crazy huh... even white people denounce white Nationalists.
Again I ask you guys why no comment about Ali... Are you afraid of offending an African American icon?
His beliefs parallel the White Nationalists. He clearly did not believe people of different races should integrate through marriage. Did that make Ali a racist?
If you heard his words being spoken by Richard Spencer... you would want his head on a spike... right?
Crickets...
You see the irony in this...
Credibility is a wonderful thing to possess... to some.
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Father Time
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8/13/2017 9:55:06 AM
Jeff, your Ali argument is intellectually dishonest. If you think one racist comment by a guy whose main contribution to the body politics was his anti-war stance somehow marginalizes the pathetic events in Charlottesville yesterday, that's crazy. It's like the Trumpites who whenever our failing POTUS screws up badly just say the name Hillary when there is zero basis for comparison.
andy lassner?Verified account @andylassner 29m29 minutes ago
To those who say @realDonaldTrump bears no responsibility for yesterday -- he spent 8 long years saying our president was born in Africa.
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8/13/2017 10:10:09 AM
---- Updated 8/13/2017 8:22:40 PM
The conquest of every country is always accomplished by pitting various groups against each other. "Divide and Conquer", the oldest trick in the book.
Trust me on this, if the entire black and white populations of this country ever came together as one in true harmony, peace and understanding.., there would be churches blowing up, people swinging from every light pole, bombings, shootings, you name the atrocity and it will occur.
The powers the be will never allow a peaceful co-existance to happen, and as long as we allow ourselves to be manipulated into believing that our fellow citizens are our enemy, these senseless tragedies will continue to occur.
And until we realize this, these needless conflicts will continue until the day comes that that will be confined to fewer and fewer parts of the country that was once ours until they finally disappear forever. This is what will be.
"Magic" - Bruce Springsteen
I got a coin in your palm
I can make it disappear
I got a card up my sleeve
Name it and I'll pull it out your ear
I got a rabbit in the hat
If you wanna come and see
This is what will be
This is what will be
I got shackles on my wrists
Soon I'll slip and I'll be gone
Chain me in a box in the river
And rising in the sun
Trust none of what you hear
And less of what you see
This is what will be (This is what will be)
This is what will be
I got a shiny saw blade
All I need's a volunteer
I'll cut you in half
While you're smilin' ear to ear
And the freedom that you sought
Driftin' like a ghost amongst the trees
This is what will be
This is what will be (This is what will be)
Now there's a fire down below
But it's coming up here
So leave everything you know
Carry only what you fear
On the road the sun is sinkin' low
Bodies hanging in the trees
This is what will be (This is what will be)
This is what will be
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Larree
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8/13/2017 10:31:58 AM
Hillary's people were the ones who started that crap about President Obama being born in Africa.
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Father Time
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8/13/2017 11:05:41 AM
Baloney!
You believe all the wingnut bs.
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Larree
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8/13/2017 11:35:15 AM
I remember the 2008 campaign. Hillary's people came up with that shit.
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Father Time
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8/13/2017 11:38:54 AM
Let's see, who should I trust, Larree or a political fact checker?
I'll go with the latter.
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Larree
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8/13/2017 12:10:47 PM
I trust my memory of the campaign. Hillary's people started this and Trump jumped on it. That was how it all went down.
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Pete Fontana
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8/13/2017 12:20:02 PM
Except the so-called "political fact checkers" all seem to be run by leftist revisionists.
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JeffH
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8/13/2017 12:22:30 PM
8/13/2017 9:55:06 AM
Jeff, your Ali argument is intellectually dishonest. If you think one racist comment by a guy whose main contribution to the body politics was his anti-war stance somehow marginalizes the pathetic events in Charlottesville yesterday, that's crazy. It's like the Trumpites who whenever our failing POTUS screws up badly just say the name Hillary when there is zero basis for comparison.
andy lassner?Verified account @andylassner 29m29 minutes ago
To those who say @realDonaldTrump bears no responsibility for yesterday -- he spent 8 long years saying our president was born in Africa.
Not trying to marginalize what happened in Virginia... I already made my points about it.
The point about Ali was simple. Though it went over many heads.
He is an American Hero to many... yet he had similar views on race as the White Nationalists. Simple as that.
I wasn't making a correlation to the happenings in Virginia. It was from the McCartney thread.
It's like none of you can say they're both wrong... because it would weaken your stance that one of your own had these opinions.
Hence the credibility comment.
I clearly denounce the behavior of violence from both sides...
While some here maybe even you cheer on Antifa and their behavior. It's not too far from the day when you sign up with By Any Means Necessary.
As for Trump... I didn't say he has no responsibility for what went on yesterday... but what is brewing here did not start when Trump decided to run for POTUS.
Also like I said it would/will be cowardly of him not to denounce any of these radical groups including the KKK and Antifa... they're terrorists.
I noticed you brushed that point off... was it because of Obama's failure to denounce Islamic Terrorism?
weak...
lulz...
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Father Time
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8/13/2017 12:49:04 PM
I didn't brush that off, I started a thread with basically that topic.
btw I personally never knew Ali said that til you posted about it,
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Pete Fontana
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8/13/2017 8:34:20 PM
Okay, what in the fuck does lulz stand for?????????????????
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JeffH
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8/14/2017 7:38:33 AM
Lulz is similar to lol except it's usually referring to the persons as "you bring the laughs" can be sarcastic or sincere.
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JeffH
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8/14/2017 1:02:04 PM
"Also like I said it would/will be cowardly of him not to denounce any of these radical groups including the KKK and Antifa... they're terrorists."
Though it will not appease or meet the Lefts needs... (because they're all crazy) lol
He denounced the KKK White Supremacist Nazis etc... today in a speech at the WH.
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Father Time
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8/14/2017 1:10:35 PM
but everybody knows now he doesn't mean it.
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JeffH
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8/14/2017 2:04:54 PM
So you know what everybody thinks? lulz...
This should make you happy... Aren't you in the camp of "all of his supporters are Racists Bigoted Homophobes etc..."
He probably just lost a big percentage of supporters with that speech... now he's all alone on an Island. Not a friend in sight...
No more racists left to support him...
What will he do?
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Father Time
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8/14/2017 2:42:25 PM
well his true base is so stupid they won't flinch when they see his latest, they know too he doesn't mean it and just said it to appease the rest of us.
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JeffH
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8/14/2017 3:04:54 PM
That all sounds too complicated for the stupid... I disagree I think they believe him.
There's probably going to be millions of Racists outside the WH any minute now demanding he be impeached....
Hey you finally have something in common with all the Racists... How about that your enemies enemy is your friend now...
FT and the White Supremacist.
Peace can't be far behind....
lulz
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Father Time
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8/14/2017 3:42:14 PM
Sometimes you're a bit of a simpleton Jeff.
Actually there's a big rally outside the WH right now, just saw it on Twitter, but it's those horrible anti-racism libs.
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JeffH
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8/14/2017 4:24:13 PM
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Are they singing Kumbaya?
No wait that would be sexist since it was a Boy Scouts song originally... I believe.
Torches and Pitchforks?
Naaaah...
Bottles, rocks, M-80's, Bike locks knives, more the way of the Lib protesters these days...
Hey Hey Ho Ho These Racists Bigoted Homophobic Trumpeters have got to go!
Really catchy tune you guys sing.
Oooh is Linda Sarsour going to be there maybe Yvette Felarca... Any Antifa sightings?
do keep us informed... since they're all part of your party!
How's that for simple...
;-)
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Larree
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8/14/2017 10:14:40 PM
Nazis and klan members are lower than cockroaches. That is a given. There is no debate. But leftists in black masks with backpacks full of bricks are also full of shit. They are lower than fucking cockroaches, too.
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Stoneman
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8/15/2017 12:43:39 AM
The mode of operation for the KKK and other crappy organizations like them has always been to shroud themselves in secret (thus the hoods) while working behind the scenes as an anon to progress their racist agenda. Mr. Trump filled his cabinet with known alt Rightists as a signal to the the alt Right about his intentions to take this country back. Back to the old days when people had to drink out of separate faucets. Amazing that you cannot make the correlation of the rise of these organizations along with the rise of Trump. He is closely aligned with them and has been for many years now. But the ways of the Klan are to say one thing while doing something else secretly. Sure, no one has any proof that Mr. Trump is a KKK member but the fact that they have all supported him and galvanized their base in order to promote his presidency is proof enough of where Mr. Trumps loyalties stand.
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Father Time
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8/15/2017 3:36:41 AM
What are you even talking about, Larree? You aren't trying to make some false equivalence about Charlottesville, are you?
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JeffH
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8/15/2017 8:33:07 AM
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Trump spoke openly about getting illegals/Mexicans out of here and building a wall to prevent more from coming in. Obama never spoke a word on this but deported more than any other President.
He also attacked Muslims because of the radicals that want to kill Americans and destroy our ways of freedom that are here or want to come here. His list of countries was created from Obamas intelligence
Getting rid of illegals and preventing them from entering the US is what is meant by the "take our country back" motto.
And this is precisely what the Alt-Right claim has empowered them... but it has empowered many others who don't want illegals here but that doesn't mean they agree with the KKK Alt-Right White Supremacists. And this is where lib logic gets fuzzy... where everyone gets labeled a racist because your old puny brains can't fathom the difference.
It doesn't mean Trump supports the Alt-Right ideology... but it does mean there is a point of similar beliefs.
If I say I don't want illegals here are you going to call me a racist Alt-right follower?
... and now he is a KKK member.
lulz
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Larree
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8/15/2017 9:08:54 AM
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Nothing false about it, FT. Nazis and the antifa are mirrors of each others' hate. Fuck both groups. Fuck the nazis and the commie leftists. All of them are assholes and I don't buy into any of their shit.
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JeffH
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8/15/2017 1:10:10 PM
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Trump not disavowing the KKK or any of the hate groups in America...
lulz... galore,
If you can get through the video ... name me one person who has disavowed or denounced these groups more than Trump.
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Raandy
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8/15/2017 1:27:24 PM
Trump was days late, and you know it. Obama was singing Amazing Grace before Trump got around to reading the right thing off a teleprompter.
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JeffH
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8/15/2017 1:37:22 PM
I don't really follow the guy until recently... never watched his TV show... always seemed like a BS'er to me.
Don't really like him as President, don't like him much as a person from what I see. I also felt he should denounce this violence and the parties that perpetuate it.
But whether you watch that video or not doesn't change the fact that he has disavowed and denounced these organizations and David Duke many times before...
Yet the MSM keeps bringing it up as if he never has.
You get your facts from the MSM... they have no interest in reporting this... it doesn't fit the narrative quite right... does it?
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Raandy
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8/15/2017 1:38:58 PM
Surely you don't find his initial response to this correct?
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JeffH
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8/15/2017 2:32:02 PM
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I don't really care at this point he was in a no win spot once he didn't say it from the go...
If you had a history like he does maybe they're all one big lump of chit to you and you respond by calling it one big lump of chit and not... this smelly part and that runny part or whatever everyone thinks he should say.
Once he didn't sort the piles of chit properly everyone said Well you have to... we need to know you disavow these piles of crap individually even though they're all same ol crap he's been dealing with for years.
Once he does this to appease you and me and everyone else who thinks he should sort out the stink... well... too late and you don't really mean it. If you did you would've wipe your azz clean of them from the beginning... even though you've been doing it for years.
Chiiiiiiiiiiiiit!.
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Father Time
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8/15/2017 2:34:52 PM
so that's a yes, you thought his response was righteous.
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JeffH
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8/15/2017 3:08:45 PM
Yes to what? Are you contorting and construing...
Righteous? lulz... you really can be funny sometimes FT.
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