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RedRobin
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11/5/2008 2:09:02 PM
Why are IAC musicians so politically minded?....
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Is it because most people here are American and it comes with the territory?
Are most people here firstly political and secondly musical? And they use music to express their political opinions?
Obama is clearly a good man with a good heart and I am truly pleased that he is your new President (though I don't see what God has to do with it in his supposed blessing of America).
But when the party is over (soon), the 'rules' of politics, both national and especially international, don't change. Neither does human nature change.
Think Positive.
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Jesse Adams
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11/5/2008 3:06:25 PM
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Cool post.
I'm under the impression that most political posters on the pipeline aren't musicians but listeners. If they were musically inclined they'd have more pressing matters to attend.
For the record I really wish there was less politcal stuff on the pipeline, I'm pretty sick of it myself, but I've quickly learned that it's just the way it is. Kinda boring really.
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RedRobin
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11/5/2008 3:24:05 PM
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Yes, I feel very similarly to you, Jesse - though I had forgotten about 'listeners' as well as musicians being on the Pipeline.
Now the US election is over there might be fewer political posts.
I of course accept the way other people are and also realise that there are many musicians here who are, shall we say, more caring or less apathetic than I am.
The trouble with strong political, and religious, convictions is that it's a never ending debate or argument and is never resolved! So, I just sit back and can't be arsed, especially as there is often so much anger involved - Anger derived from passion but it's still anger.
I think that music can be a very useful (to them only) medium to express their political beliefs or various protests.
I prefer that my music expresses emotion and more abstract feelings such as in dancing.
But ETTO - Each To Their Own.
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Auset
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11/5/2008 3:44:43 PM
I tried to avoid it as much as possible... but got tangled up in a few threads here and there... mostly to lighten the mood.
But hey... go check out my post about my election night whereabouts... it couldn't help but to dabble in politics... but was ALL music and quite an adventure, at least for me.
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The Man With No Band
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11/5/2008 4:02:09 PM
Political mindedness can be a very good thing ... Many great achievements have been accomplished through them ... It is fine to enjoy the world around you and be happy ...
Mostly you can thank those that were political at one time or another for that privilege ...
It is much better to be an activist, than to let things get to a point where war and chaos set in ... I think these things are important ...
Think Positive
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RedRobin
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11/5/2008 4:14:23 PM
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Fortunately not everyone is an activist and not everyone is apathetic like me.
Yin-Yan (or whatever it's called) and a healthy balance.
Though I am wondering if political activism has achieved more good than it has harm.
One of my best friends, also a musician, is a fairly extreme activist and I greatly respect him. He knows how apathetic I am but he still respects me and my ways. He does, by his own admission, bring himself a lot of anger and depression over it. He sometimes finds it very difficult to Think Positive unfortunately.
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The Man With No Band
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11/5/2008 4:21:16 PM
Very true ... one has to have the temperament for it or you are usually defeating your own purpose ...
I have nothing against those that are apathetic ... each of us is wired differently ...
I do have a problem with those that are apathetic and then complain when a wrong has occurred to them, and don't understand why others aren't coming to their rescue ...
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never never band
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11/5/2008 5:21:16 PM
just because it's impossible to change the world doesn't mean we shouldn't try...
A friend of mine from Guatemala once told me,
"Yes. we are going to fail, all thorough time when we have taken on the monsters we have failed, but we will fail with flowers in our hair and a song on our lips, it will be a beautiful failure!!"
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Auset
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11/5/2008 7:19:18 PM
perhaps its not about changing others and changing the world, but about changing ourselves in a way that brings positive change to the world.
All Love...
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RedRobin
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11/6/2008 8:50:09 AM
Sam wrote:
"I do have a problem with those that are apathetic and then complain when a wrong has occurred to them, and don't understand why others aren't coming to their rescue"
....But everyone is still entitled to have an opinion whatever that opinion is, and whether they are apathetic or not.
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RedRobin
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11/6/2008 8:54:45 AM
never never band wrote:
"just because it's impossible to change the world doesn't mean we shouldn't try"
....Agreed but if you happen to be wired differently (as Sam wrote) I don't think it's healthy to pretend you're trying if you don't feel it. Let those who feel the need to try in their hearts, be the active ones (and leave the rest of us in peace).
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RedRobin
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11/6/2008 8:58:40 AM
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Auset wrote:
"perhaps its not about changing others and changing the world, but about changing ourselves in a way that brings positive change to the world."
....Exactly!! I interpret your words as meaning change from within the individual which then permeates outwards.
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tom lee
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11/6/2008 9:54:37 AM
a political post offers far more opportunity to showcase your (supposed) eloquence, wit and clever wordplay , not least an opportunity to stir up a little heated argument.
a strictly musical post requires only an ability to comment on matters of interest to others of like mind, for feedback and constructive insights. all the political stuff is a little out of place, to me.
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Camdie
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11/6/2008 11:00:08 AM
Give any one politician to much rope and they'll fuck it up...
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Hugh Hamilton
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11/6/2008 12:12:41 PM
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I can't help expressing a growing feeling of cynicism and frustration - I'm trying to channel it artistically but it comes out on blogs too. It's a guilty displeasure.
The first letter of IAC stands for Independent. That might be a clue though. Independent Artists speaking their voices in the tradition of great artists of the past.
It seems there's really a small number of folks making a lot of political noise, so perhaps the question is moot. Although...there are many artists here with songs on Neil Young's Living With War Today website...very few them are active bloggers here though...
xo,
H
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The CODE
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11/6/2008 12:24:31 PM
OK - here it is again!
Frustration!
"Whats the use of all this Freaking Out"
;-)
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SILVERWOODSTUDIO
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11/6/2008 1:05:21 PM
Heck General! LWWT
USA just had an election as did Canada, New Zealand and others---
Hardly surprising to see a few politi-cack blogs----
The only disappointment for me is the childish name calling and bullying, but i see that as a residue of the Bush admin ---and cronies
they will fade-----
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